# Percentage of services basic compared to bim in ahpp

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**Created:** [June 26, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.blackspectacles.com/t/percentage-of-services-basic-compared-to-bim-in-ahpp/4410 "2022-06-26T21:10:32Z")\
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**Author:** ![James.D.Hawkins](https://blackspectacles.com/uploads/images/10.png) [@James.D.Hawkins](https://community.blackspectacles.com/u/James.D.Hawkins)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.blackspectacles.com/t/percentage-of-services-basic-compared-to-bim-in-ahpp/4410/1 "2022-06-26T21:10:32Z")

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Where in the architecture handbook of professional practice is information compares basic and bim for percentages of design services (schematic, design development, construction documents, bn and construction administration phase.

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**Author:** ![jessicaritter](https://blackspectacles.com/uploads/images/3.png) [@jessicaritter](https://community.blackspectacles.com/u/jessicaritter)\
**Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://community.blackspectacles.com/t/percentage-of-services-basic-compared-to-bim-in-ahpp/4410/2 "2022-06-27T17:27:04Z")

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@coachhayleypugh Could you assist with this?

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**Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.blackspectacles.com/t/percentage-of-services-basic-compared-to-bim-in-ahpp/4410/3 "2022-06-27T18:46:45Z")

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Okay! So this is a really good question. Here’s Figure 10.20:

![BIM](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/blackspectacles/original/2X/1/1d1b75e717ac2f36562be32cc8f1a4aef6857e15.jpeg)

There are two takeaways I think are very important about this graphic 1) how Traditional Design-Bid-Build relates to BIM delivery and 2) that this is an _example_ used for _distribution_ the fee in terms of design phases-- in real life, these percentages can certainly range.

If we go to the AHPP, the 10.20 is a graphic representation of Traditional Design-Bid-Build versus BIM in terms of fee structure. In both instances, assume 5% of the total fee goes toward Bidding and Negotiation. This graphic assumes your fee structure follows the amount of labor/time that goes into each phase. Notice how traditional versus BIM are different-- earlier design phases take a lot longer in BIM, by the nature of the programs, but CDs are generated much faster.

It’s good to know a general fee distribution based on this chart, but it’s also important to know that every firm will be a touch different. More than a strict percentage, it’s likely a range, as much as 5% or 10% in either direction. Bidding/Negotiation will pretty typically hover around 5% of the fee.

So, for example, if you’re asked which is a reasonable fee for your CD phase in a BIM project if your overall fee is $50,000. Then you’re given answers A) $3,000 B) $5,000 C) $13,000 D) $30,000-- you can make an educated guess as to what would be appropriate. Even though $13,000 isn’t exactly 25% of the overall fee, C is the best answer for how we understand the fee distribution percentage for a BIM project.