PcM Who retains the civil engineer? The architect or the owner?

@kiaragalicinao @coachchrishopstock @coachthomasmasino @coachbriannakeller

I came across a question in a case study which asks: In addition to structural and mechanical engineers, what other consultants should the firm consider retaining for this project?

One of the correct answers was a civil engineer.

This answer completely shocked me! I was certain that the owner retains the civil engineer. I knew that Article 1.1.9 of the B101 says that ‘the owner shall retain the following consultants and contractors’ and number 2 lists civil engineer as one of them. Therefore, I eliminated this as a possible correct answer (with confidence!) :roll_eyes:. This sent me down the rabbit hole and now I question everything I have ever learned about Practice Management.

Since this earth shattering moment, I have discovered a chart in the AHPP on page 605 (Figure 10.3) which appears to indicate that the architect can retain a civil engineer. Also, civil engineering is listed as a supplemental service in the B101 (4.1.1.8). This brings up the question of whether this means that the architect will provide civil engineering as a supplemental service in-house or whether the architect will retain a civil engineer as a consultant to provide civil engineering as a supplemental service?

Of course, there is nothing stopping the architect from retaining a civil engineer under 4.1.1.29 ‘Other services provided by specialty consultants’ or 4.1.1.30 ‘Other supplemental services’ in the B101. So, technically, the architect can, in fact, hire a civil engineer.

Why then, does the B101 specifically list a civil engineer under the owner’s purview in the Initial Information portion of the B101, when a civil engineer could easily be included in 3. Other, if any (List any other consultants and contractors retained by the Owner.), especially given that it is entirely possible that an architect could hire one?

What say you, oh, wise Black Spectacles’ moderators?